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29 June 2012 @ 10:20 am
I think I just realized something  
So I follow Joe Bethancourt on Facebook, because I like his music and am willing to overlook his politics. And he posts lots of things about, "What part of my property do you think you have the right to steal?" in response to the Affordable Care Act.

I haven't been able to formulate an answer.

I think I've figured it out. From my perspective, he's asking the wrong question, and that's why I can't answer it.

The question *I* ask is, "We live in a society that conveys many advantages. How can we most fairly distribute those advantages while not constraining personal incentive and creativity?"

I have no problem with people who invent really cool things, or provide really cool services, being fabulously wealthy. I have no problem with the idea that a job requiring 25 years of training pays more than a job that doesn't require that kind of investment.

I do have a problem with a society and culture that treats people who do the day-to-day work of maintaining the infrastructure (by which I mean both public infrastructure like road builders and forest rangers and police and teachers and firefighters, and private infrastructure like custodians and secretaries and house builders and factory workers) -- or who are unable to work because of disability, or who are able to work but cannot find a job because the economy is broken -- as disposable and worthless.
Jon Reidcrossfire on June 29th, 2012 03:45 pm (UTC)
You can't formulate an answer because he is begging the question.

I've found two useful responses, one calm and helpful, and the other...not so much.

The calm and helpful one is to simply ignore the bait and point out how this is going to benefit us all, by providing access to health care to everyone. I can even throw in anecdotes about people living with chronic illnesses who will now be able to get insurance for the first time in years, and will have a chance at a reasonable standard of living because they'll no longer be buried in debt and have to live from one medical emergency to another. (You probably know at least a few people with chronic illnesses who are in a similar situation.)

The not so much one is an all-purpose response to the "I'm being FORCED TO PAY FOR SOMETHING THAT I DON'T WANT" whinge (which is really at the core of what Mr. Bethancourt is saying) and is basically stolen almost verbatim from someone on ontd-political:

Hi, I'd like to talk to you about war, capital punishment, abstinence-pushing in public education, the salaries of politicians who are actively trying to limit my civil rights, the level of enforcement of speed limits on freeways, big agriculture subsidies, airport security theatre, the practice of paying police officers while they are under suspension for brutality, deadly negligence, framing people, et cetera.

In other words, WELCOME TO AMERICA, you privileged, ignorant piece of shit.

amaebiamaebi on June 29th, 2012 06:07 pm (UTC)
I want a Like button.
griffen on June 29th, 2012 10:19 pm (UTC)
Kats: Awesomewildrider on June 30th, 2012 12:51 am (UTC)
THAT was awesome.
zemhitchhiker on June 30th, 2012 06:43 am (UTC)