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16 August 2011 @ 10:04 pm
Conversations with Dale  
This month's Year and a Day class is on grounding, centering, and shielding. I've been reading articles on different techniques and doing meditations (not frequently enough) to see which if any of the elements I connect to.

Starting tomorrow, I have a new exercise: not just finding the connections, but trying to plug into them and complete a circuit. I am a bit wary of trying this one on my own, so I asked Dale to help.

Me: (explains new exercise) Would you be willing to sit with me and monitor, and also tell me if you perceive anything?

Dale: Sure.

Me: I've already told Malachite I'm nervous about this, both about failing and about it working and me getting stuck.

Dale: It's a meditation technique, it probably won't work the first time.

Me: Don't be so sure.

Dale: Oh?

Me: I got some fairly strong connections the first time I tried the "which do I connect to". I feel like I'm skewing the results, but Malachite has already made it very clear that THAT'S WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, that if it works because I want it to, it still works.

Dale: That's true. Of course (takes my hand and turns it palm up) you could manifest Elemental Fire right there and your first reaction would be to look around and demand to know where the projector was.

Me: Why did you pick that element?

Dale: Oh, really?

Me: Well, yeah. And earth. Which makes no sense. They're opposites.

Dale: You seem to have techno-mage tendencies.

Me: And . . . electricity is fire.

Dale: And what's silicon?

Me: I am so screwed.


It has just been pointed out to me that the opposite of fire is water, not earth. I am an idiot.
Johnjohnpalmer on August 17th, 2011 03:32 am (UTC)
When I was working with shamanism, I had a similar kind of concern about recognizing when something was real. But I also realized that shamanism is an active thing. I can't wait for the spirits to come to me; I have to go to them.

If I see a mystic door, and I don't "walk" through it - which is an act of the will! - then I don't get through it. And I never see what was on the other side. (Which, in a particular journey, might be the point. But usually, the door is there to go through.)

So, I found that I had to do things. Which makes the ultra-skeptic say "so, it could all be imagination". Yes, it *could*. But if it is, it's a *very* useful imagining. And it doesn't tend to be the kind of things I'd imagine if I was in control. Kind of the "were-beagle" effect that Spider Robinson used.

Janet Miles, CAP-OMjanetmiles on August 17th, 2011 12:47 pm (UTC)
This is a useful data point. Thank you.
amaebiamaebi on August 17th, 2011 09:41 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I like it. Welcome is required by a proper visitor, who doesn't seek to overwhelm and sack.
Maggiesillymagpie on August 17th, 2011 12:30 pm (UTC)
Somehow I would have thought you'd connect with earth, but that may be because I remember that you're a Taurus.
Janet Miles, CAP-OMjanetmiles on August 17th, 2011 12:46 pm (UTC)
I am a Taurus, and there is a connection with Earth, but not as strong (as I perceive it) as with Fire. But then again, I've always been drawn to fire -- candles, campfires, bonfires, and so on.
amaebiamaebi on August 17th, 2011 09:42 pm (UTC)
(Are you freaked out that I'm so chatty in a pagan discussion?)

I'm a lousy Taurus, aside from gardening. Even when you take into account that I'm on the cusp with Gemini.
Janet Miles, CAP-OMjanetmiles on August 18th, 2011 12:24 pm (UTC)
No, should I be? I figure you're knowledgeable in religion generally.
Maggiesillymagpie on August 19th, 2011 01:11 am (UTC)
I think I also thought of earth because you're a very grounded, level-headed person, and I associate that with earth. But fire is also generation and growth and is represented by the suite of wands in the tarot, and I can completely see you as a Queen of Wands.
aedifica: Religious studiesaedifica on August 17th, 2011 05:08 pm (UTC)
In the traditions I'm most familiar with, fire *is* opposite earth. If it isn't in your tradition, maybe you were thinking of another tradition?
Janet Miles, CAP-OMjanetmiles on August 17th, 2011 05:35 pm (UTC)
I suspect I was thinking of something in fiction, something like "earth smothers fire, so they're opposites".

(Searching, searching)

Okay, according to Wikipedia, Hellenic had fire/water, earth/air.

On the other hand, an Answers.com article has Earth = North, Air = East, Fire = South, Water = West (for northern hemisphere), which would put Earth opposite Fire.

Now I'm confused.
aedifica: Religious studiesaedifica on August 17th, 2011 10:28 pm (UTC)
The Air-East, Fire-South, Water-West, Earth-North is what my tradition uses. It makes the most intuitive sense for people on the west coast of their landmass, which I am not... :-)

What are you finding confusing?
Angela di Tenebreditenebre on August 18th, 2011 05:52 am (UTC)
This is the connection of cardinal points and elements we use in our fire circles, so when Janet said fire and earth were opposites, it certainly made sense to me.
Janet Miles, CAP-OMjanetmiles on August 18th, 2011 02:07 pm (UTC)
I need to ask my mentor whether Greenhaven uses a different correspondence than Air-East, Fire-South, Water-West, Earth-North, or if the cardinal point correspondences do not imply "opposing" elements.
browngirl on August 17th, 2011 07:09 pm (UTC)
This entry is awesome except for the last four words, which make an untrue statement.

*beams at you*
amaebiamaebi on August 17th, 2011 09:40 pm (UTC)
I adore you. :D

And by and large, "opposite" isn't a clear or relevant term. (I even wrote a poem about that recently.) In the sense of "countervailing force," both earth and water are opposites to fire.

I don't think I've mentioned this before, though I ought to have: I really hope to meet you in person some day.