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09 July 2012 @ 08:31 am
And one grump, completely unrelated to HCC  
The airport had CNN on the monitors. CNN interviewed Lee Greenwood ("God Bless the USA"). Lee Greenwood said, "Well, you don't have to be a Christian to be a patriot, but of course this is a Christian country."

Argh. No, it bloody well is not; it was explicitly created as a secular country. Remember that whole "freedom of religion" thing in our Bill of Rights? Remember the whole "in no sense a Christian nation" thing in the Treaty of Tripoli?

US Constitution: Article VI - Debts, Supremacy, Oaths
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.


US Constitution: Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary. by the United States Government
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
 
 
 
Tom Smith: headdeskfilkertom on July 9th, 2012 12:45 pm (UTC)
Calm, m'dear. Remember that Lee Greenwood is a jingoistic moron, and his opinion on the nature of patriotism is only fit for bumper stickers. Remember that CNN's reputation is in the crapper, for many good reasons. Mostly remember that it really doesn't matter what any of them think, until they start to try to legislate it, which is when we hit back with both barrels and aiming for the 'nads.
Ayesha: libertyjustice (clauclauclaudia)browngirl on July 9th, 2012 01:18 pm (UTC)
*growls with you*
Buddha Buckblaisepascal on July 9th, 2012 01:41 pm (UTC)
No, he does not remember the "in no sense a Christian nation" thing in the Treaty of Tripoli. I bet if you asked, he'd claim ignorance of the "no religious test" clause in the Constitution as well. I bet if you asked him if the writer of the Declaration of Independence believed in the divinity of Jesus Christ, he's day "of course", too.

Those things do not match his world-view of the US, therefore they must be conveniently forgotten, ignored, or worked around.
Syona aka the Silicon Shamansiliconshaman on July 9th, 2012 02:18 pm (UTC)
The fundies are doing their best to make the USA a Christian country [for their value of Christian with them running it] by repeating that fallacy as often as possible and as loudly as possible so that people will believe them. It's classic PR BS, repeat something often enough, and people will accept it.

After all, did anyone at CNN or even in the airport call him on it? Give it another decade, and it'll be true I think.
Janet Miles, CAP-OMjanetmiles on July 10th, 2012 01:12 pm (UTC)
My head jerked up at the first half of the comment, and I said, not entirely under my breath, "Oh, how kind of you to say so, idjit." The guy next to me snorted; I'm not sure if he was agreeing with me or not.
Cat Sitting Stillcatsittingstill on July 9th, 2012 09:17 pm (UTC)
*growls with you* also.
Stephen Harrissweh on July 10th, 2012 03:49 pm (UTC)
As much as I'd like to agree, I do need to point out a potential disconnect.

Greenwood isn't necessarily talking about the organization and structure of the US government, he could easily be talking about the _people_. If the people are primarily Christian in leaning or belief then it's valid to use the phrase "Christian country".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Religions_of_American_adults says that approx 76% of American adults identified as Christian (of some form) in a 2008 survey, down from 86% in 1990. That's still a large majority. The Census Bureau data (self-reported by religious bodies) on the same page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Religion shows that Protestant+RC+Other Christian is also around 76%

Further, let's look at attitudes; as of today no Presidential candidate would be elected if they identified as Muslim. Even an atheist wouldn't be elected; Obama had to fight that taint in 2008. It'll cost you dearly if you don't at least put lip-service towards Christianity and have photo-ops of your devotion in church.

So, despite the law and the legal definitions, it _can_ be argued that the US is a "Christian country" simply due to the de facto demographics and attitudes of the majority of the population.